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"Unstable" rail services in northern England are being caused by a "toxic combination" of issues, MPs have heard.
Thousands of trains have been cancelled at short notice in recent months with TransPennine Express, Avanti West Coast and Northern all affected.
Anthony Smith, of Transport Focus, told the Transport Select Committee people were opting to drive due to disruption.
Lord McLoughlin, who chairs Transport for the North, added there had been a "total let-down" for rail passengers.
He said rail firms had to address "unreliable services".
Anthony Smith was asked by the Transport Select Committee why operators in the north of England have struggled compared with those in other parts of Britain.
"It's a rather toxic combination which is different for each company," he replied.
"With Avanti, I think the problems probably date back to the days of Virgin - the previous franchise - and the winding-down of that franchise.
"Then Covid came along and made training drivers difficult.
"I understand those are some of the issues that led to the thinning-out of the timetable."
He added: "The staff-management relationships don't seem to be good and need resetting in some way."
Lord McLoughlin, who chairs Transport for the North, which advises the government on the region's transport needs, also gave evidence to the MPs.
He said: "One of the most important things for people wanting to use the train is reliability and knowing that the service that they want to use is going to be there.
"That is the greatest problem the companies have to address.
"There has been a total let-down with unreliable services, not being able to get tickets, not knowing whether services are going to run, and also getting that information out."
Avanti West Coast, which cut its schedules in August to limit short-notice cancellations, reinstated some of the lost services in new timetables introduced on Sunday.
Transport Secretary Mark Harper claimed it was "up to the unions to decide" if they want train services in northern England to improve.
In a written statement to Parliament, the cabinet minister explained he has given TransPennine Express and Northern "the scope they need to put a meaningful and generous" offer on rest-day working to drivers' union Aslef.
He wrote: "Aslef need to enter negotiations and put any new deal to its members and, if accepted, do all it can to make that deal work.
"TransPennine has made a generous revised offer to Aslef and it was almost immediately rejected without being put to members.
"It is up to the unions to decide if they want to improve services, for the good of passengers and the wider economy in the North."
Mr Harper said he was in favour of "breaking the railway's dependence on rest-day working altogether".
He added: "No modern and successful business relies on the goodwill of its staff to deliver for its customers in the evening and at the weekend.
"I want a railway with rewarding jobs, contracted to deliver every service promised to the public."
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